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Hi mgtbute, welcome, and thanks for the hint.
That was good timing 
I don't normally approve of personal data appearing in Forums, but it would help me hunt this down as I have a small collection of Bute/Rothesay info, and access to some online resources,
Any chance of identifying the street this light might have been sited in, either here, or by PM or email to avoid the info being too public? |
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Hi
There are a pair of lamps outside the Victoria Hotel in Victoria Street in Rohtesay but these are just because it is a hotel.
However there are at least one provosts lamp that I know of here in Rothesay. I am trying to find out why I dont have one outside my house and have been researching this for a few weeks (hence I found this site).
I will look more closely and reply with pics if I find any?
MgtX |
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I'm sure the "originals" will not have survived all the moves that being Glasgow Provost Lights would have entailed, as those involved fought for the post year after year 
Their cast bodies, cast bases, and glass panels would have succumbed to the constant stresses and strains of being repeatedly dug-up and replanted by council workmen.
I don't know about Bute - certainly not in any galleries I've seen. May be worth some research.
One potential confusion there might arise from the Victorian hotels, which could feature their own pair of ornate lamppost at their street entrance. I can only think of one set that remains on Victoria Street, for the Victoria Hotel, which is actually being refurbed at the moment. |
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These appear to be relatively cheap modern lamposts and very tall. I assume the latter was to try and avoid vandalism.
The only ones I have seen in Gourock were very ornate posts and normal gas sreet lamp height and almost certainly victorian. I have never come across the Dunoon style anywhere else but I am prepared to find that it was more common than I thought. Are there any on Bute?
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| I meant to add that the Siamese twins of North and South Lanarkshire both have 'Provosts' who get their pictures in the papers far more than even the local cooncillors. |
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| Apparently there were Provost lights near Danny Cairns old house in Kilmarnock near the Bonnyton area. Off West langlands street in the area near the former Barclays railway works offices. |
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Sad to report that my thought about the lights opposite Sandyhills golf course were correct, and they are gone.
Regrettably, when they were there, it was not at a time when I was taking pics, so there is no record.
I can't even recall which house, and thanks to the state of the road, and the installation of cable, there is no evidence on the footpath, which is just a mess, with no sign of where the light may have been.
I was going to carry on for another look at the Tollcross lights I found, but the weatherfolk were spot-on, as usual, and the rain promised to sweep in and get heavier as the afternoon became evening arrived right on cue, almost the moment I walked out the door.
However, when I checked my Tollcross pics, I found that the long distance pic I had grabbed in passing was perfect, despite the distance, and that pair has been captured:
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| I suppose most if not all of the cities that are big enough to have their own councils may have Provosts. In the case of Argyll & Bute it would be tricky. Nobody would accept private Walsh as the Provost of Lochgilphhead which is where the Council sits. |
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It did die with regionalisation Fox, but Stirling revived the title in the late '90s- http://www.stirling.gov.uk/index/stirling/stirling-city.htm
Might I point to the Lord Provost of Glasgow - still holding on to the post tightly in the grasp of his/her claw.
You'll never see anything that looks like a perk disappear from the council of the Second City - not without a fight to the death.
This particular species can also be found hanging on tightly in Edinbuegh and Aberdeen. |
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| There was some controversy in Oban a few years ago when the Community Council tried to promote the Chair to Provost of Oban. As far as I remember they did not get away with it. |
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I had AA Command on order but the shop went out of business.
Come to think of it, I never did get a reply from the organisation who actually publish the books. |
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I am sure ir died out with regionalisation - there were no provosts after that.
Re County Councils - I think the head honcho was just known as the Chairman of the County Council.
Nowadays, locally at least, all councillors are awarded the same perk as far as I am aware. They get the pavement outside their houses swept monthly. |
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| Hallelujah. I've had it on order from John Smiths for three-and-a-half years... |
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| We'll need to keep an eye out, and see how soon a kmz file appears, based on that appendix |
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Single and double may confirm regional differences, but I am sure those who live under Glasgow council will have no doubt that their councillors believed that the chosen amongst them deserved at least two lamps outside their homes to show their importance, and fuelled by taxpayers' electricity too.
At a guess, if Edinburgh could have made a reason for three, then that would have been the custom there 
It would be no surprise to learn that the practice began to die off from the 1970's onward, with perhaps a few who saw the award of the light as part of their post insisting that the lights were fitted, so the neighbour's knew they were in the presence of elected royalty. |
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I received my copy of Colin Dobinson's Building Radar today - it has been promised for quite a few years now. As would be expected it is a very comprehensive history of the WWII radar network. An appendix has a full listing with the AMES number and NGR for each site, first time that I have seen such a list.
Building Radar: Forging Britain's Early-warning Chain,1939-45
He has previously written books on AA Command and decoy sites.
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It seems that in some burghs, the custom is-was to leave the holder with one light in place after they relinquished the post, but I can't recall any single lights - but may just failed to have noticed the count - and from memory, can only think of some pairs.
Just to confuse things further, the examples in Cambuskenneth, Bannockburn and Raploch have always been single lamps, and the first two were put there as recently as the '70s. One of the former incumbents is long dead, one is retired and the other still serves as a cooncillor.
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Yes, I know the pair you mean - "opposite" the golf course
I'm not even sure they are still there, as I pass the location almost daily, and don't recall noticing them 
I will pay more attention next time though. |
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Apollo, there were two in Sandyhills Road outside a house, near the Killin Street end.
I can only speak for Lanarkshire - pre 1975 - but as far as I know county council had no political head.
Minute books I've searched through indicate individual chairmen of committees e.g General Purposes, Education, Roads etc.
The position of Lord Lieutenant was and still is the titular head of the county - even though its in two bits now. |
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Don't forget that what we refer to as a Provost Light or Provost Lampost originated from the Baillie (or Bailie) Light.
The baillie was a local civic officer in Scottish burghs, roughly equivalent to a baliff, alderman or magistrate in other countries.
It seems Scottish barons often appointed a baillie as their judicial officer, and they were responsible for a jurisdiction called a bailiary (bailiery).
The Provost Lamp fell out of favour in modern times. Formerly attached to the baillie's house, this became somewhat impractical with the advent of tenements and then multi-storey flats, where the holder no longer had a front door that led off the road.
It seems that in some burghs, the custom is-was to leave the holder with one light in place after they relinquished the post, but I can't recall any single lights - but may just failed to have noticed the count - and from memory, can only think of some pairs.
I recently came across what appeared to be another pair in the back streets of Tollcross, but have only seen them through a camera lens, and not (dared) walk down there yet to confirm what may appear on the glass. |
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| As far as I recall it was only Burghs that had Provosts. I am trying to get both my memory cells going to recall what the heads of County Councils were called. So far I have been unsuccessful in doing so. |
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Except for the burghs we didn't have provosts in Lanarkshire though they have two now in the new divided county, its a bit like the two Koreas here noo.
Apollo has a couple of Glasgow ones a brisk walk away. |
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| I am begining to feel left out. I don't even have a street light outside my house1 |
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| There's a couple in Bearsden... |
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There are clearly more than I thought. The one in Dunoon is the only one I have noticed for years. I might need to rethink this one. Perhaps listing those found with a pic of a typical one for each area would be better.
Suggestions welcomed! |
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| There's three in my area that I know of- Clark St, Bannockburn; Craighall St, Stirling and South St, Cambuskenneth |
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Anyone know of any other examples appart from Dunoon? There surely must be the odd one or two in Lanarkshire Captain.
See page in the Wiki. |
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Posted by: jmb
Date Posted: March 16, 2010, 12:22pm |
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Whit, no swearies?
Also some suitable comment on the IT department as password, they are usually universally hated.
Our IT department (of course they had a fancier name than that) forced you to change your password at regular intervals for improved "security" so many just wrote the password on the bottom of the laptop or somewhere else convenient (as well very insecure).
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